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sentex · Nov 30, 2010, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I use to go to American servers just for trading, as there are a lot more players in there than in Spanish servers.

Of course, i try to speak english the best way i can, and i don't try to force anybody to understand me speaking spanish. And, like me, i've seen other spanish players speaking english in "english servers".
Given that, i'm not agree with Lord Mip, who says that "national pride is an issue for French, Spanish and Italian players"... i think that these "national pride" is more linked to "some players", who feel it that way, regardless their nationality

Lord Mip · Dec 01, 2010, 01:48 PM // 13:48

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Originally Posted by sentex

I use to go to American servers just for trading, as there are a lot more players in there than in Spanish servers.

Of course, i try to speak english the best way i can, and i don't try to force anybody to understand me speaking spanish. And, like me, i've seen other spanish players speaking english in "english servers".
Given that, i'm not agree with Lord Mip, who says that "national pride is an issue for French, Spanish and Italian players"... i think that these "national pride" is more linked to "some players", who feel it that way, regardless their nationality

I didn't say all of them did, but for the most part, I daresay it's true. Italians, Spanish and French mostly form their own guilds and do not mix with other language players. That's more likely to be so for people from for instance Scandinavia, I encounter those a lot in English guilds. The same goes for Dutch and East European people.

Amy Awien · Dec 01, 2010, 08:53 PM // 20:53

How is joining a guild of people using your own language any indicator for national pride, Lord Mip? That must be one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.
Would you say the same of americans who join english-language guilds?

Most people communicate better, with less effort and fewer misunderstandings in their own language, even if they know (some) english. Avoiding the use of a foreign language makes perfect sense, I don't understand why you'd resent this.

Unreal Warfare · Dec 01, 2010, 10:18 PM // 22:18

There's many players from all over the EU using the US servers, and even on the US servers they speak their own languages, though not as frequently. The main reason you don't know they're there is because they're speaking English!

The main reason the EU servers are low populated is because the US servers are where the higher population is. The population is getting smaller as people hang up their adventuring boots, and let's not also forget more areas to hang out in since Eye of the North was launched, meaning the population has spread out more over four campaigns aswell.

AmbientMelody · Dec 01, 2010, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

Why is this debate returning?

They'll still communicate better and more natural in their own language then through the English they get thaught at school. It's only natural that a group of people doing something together would use the language that helpes them communicate best. Their pride is not the issue, you simply have no right to interfere with a group of people talking with each other, or demand they use your language for your convenience.

Where you see their pride, they see your arrogance.

Then you best get used to seeing non-english in chat. English is not a requirement for GW-1 and it's not likely to be one for GW-2.

Or maybe they'll just implement a system for language differentiation the same way they did for trade. That way everyone would still be in same town for grouping and trading, without americans becoming so annoyed with non-english chat.

Then next time consider that their game probably shows them localized names for the stuff they want to sell and they likely have no idea what it might be named in english, so they couldn't advertise in english even if they wanted to.

English is global language, get over it. You can quickly switch language to English, see what it is and advertise, it's that easy. MMO is about playing with people across the globe no matter their nationality or ethnic background. If someone is incapable of thinking & acting globally in the game, then he is basically a waste to the game's community, because he is able to interact only with a tiny part of it.

Pride, arrogance? Hilarious. No, I'm sorry, I'm not English and I don't expect anyone to speak Polish. The only reason why I expect others to speak English if all other means of communication fail, is because it is the best way to communicate globally, so that most people in the team would actually understand what's going on.

Non-English district chat is of no problem to me, as long as when I whisper the guy he responds in English & puts English trade offers. In the very same way I don't want to see a 'national pride movement' in my team, where a bunch of Germans/Frenchmen/whatever speak in their own language and completely ignore the rest.

It's only common courtesy to use a language almost everyone understands, and expecting someone to use it is not arrogance. If someone wasn't taught English in school, then that's his problem and not mine, when he comes to the game. Lack of education is no excuse to be an ass or fail to communicate.

Gli · Dec 02, 2010, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

English is global language, get over it. You can quickly switch language to English, see what it is and advertise, it's that easy. MMO is about playing with people across the globe no matter their nationality or ethnic background. If someone is incapable of thinking & acting globally in the game, then he is basically a waste to the game's community, because he is able to interact only with a tiny part of it.

What a load of crock. MMO's are basically about moving around pixels on a computer monitor for entertainment purposes. Any kind of deeper commitment is purely optional, and expectations on your part for anyone to play along with that are delusional. There's no such thing as a "game's community". There's just you and the people you're playing with or talking to at any particular time.

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

It's only common courtesy to use a language almost everyone understands, and expecting someone to use it is not arrogance. If someone wasn't taught English in school, then that's his problem and not mine, when he comes to the game. Lack of education is no excuse to be an ass or fail to communicate.

Yet somehow, I don't think any of those "asses" will feel they have a problem. The problem is definitely yours, witness your rant.

Chasing Squirrels · Dec 02, 2010, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Sadalsuud

A few years back the European servers were packed to the extent you would meet dozens of people even in remote outposts. Now you're lucky if there are more than 10 people in Kamadan. Did anything happen to the EU servers so people couldn't keep playing on them or what?

Those lag spikes are pissing me off to no end but there is nothing I can do to fix them at the moment (maybe except moving to America, but I can't do that either). The choice is either play with decent ping and all by yourself, or play with people and watch as your character teleports around when he casts a spell after running. It's not THAT bad as I describe it, but it's kind of annoying because the EU servers are THERE. It's just that for some unclear reason all of the EU players have decided to migrate to the US.

Help me to understand, please?

When the game came out there was a lot of euro and koreans. The koreans stopped playing because they got tired of pwning everyone and move onto other games. For european i am gonna hazard a guess and say that the population slowly decreased (which wasn't as big as the american pop) because of players getting bored i guess.

Iuris · Dec 02, 2010, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

Non-English district chat is of no problem to me, as long as when I whisper the guy he responds in English & puts English trade offers. In the very same way I don't want to see a 'national pride movement' in my team, where a bunch of Germans/Frenchmen/whatever speak in their own language and completely ignore the rest.

It's only common courtesy to use a language almost everyone understands, and expecting someone to use it is not arrogance. If someone wasn't taught English in school, then that's his problem and not mine, when he comes to the game. Lack of education is no excuse to be an ass or fail to communicate.

I think you need to do some travelling, see how many people don't speak english. Try... northern, mediterranean Africa. French will do wonders. English won't do anything.

Would you really feel that way if GW population in the USA dropped too and everyone that still played would be, say, the French? And then, only French districts would be populated? English has indeed become the lingua franca of modern day - but think about the term for a bit.

Not getting understood is perfectly enough of a punishment for not speaking more languages.

As an aside note - I speak several languages. And more than once, I found the other person's english was abysmal to the level that I was the one that asked him to speak another language. Even if it meant that I had to go and change my own display language so I could figure out what things were called in the other guy's language.

It takes time to figure out that to the germans, a ranger is a "wood runner" - Waldlaufer or "waldi" for short and so on...

Amy Awien · Dec 02, 2010, 08:33 AM // 08:33

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Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

English is global language, get over it.

Really? Well, so are spanish and french and with 80 million germans to play with, I don't think they'll begging to play with you.

People around the world aren't going to oblige you, they'll use their own language rather then english. Get over it.

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You can quickly switch language to English, see what it is and advertise, it's that easy.

Really? As I've pointed out before, localized (non-english) versions of Guildwars have item names and description in their language. So no, switching to english is not that easy.

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MMO is about playing with people across the globe no matter their nationality or ethnic background. ...

Thinking globally includes making room for differences and 'the world' may be different where they live. How can you expect them to use the english names and descriptions when items in their localized versions of Guildwars have descriptions in their language? They probably don't get any RPG-idiom thaught in their english lessons at schools. Get in touch with reality, please.

Reroute · Dec 02, 2010, 08:50 AM // 08:50

I just went to the american server because I'm new to the game and know absolutely no one and the European severs seem deserted. I am however a Dutch guy, and if I'd see someone else who is Dutch I think I would start speaking Dutch with him/her, as long as I don't bother other people with it it's not a crime is it?

Iuris · Dec 02, 2010, 09:50 AM // 09:50

Sigh, this again...

The game hasn't been ruined - the game is OLD. O L D ! That's all! You play through and you stop playing, that's all.

Lord Mip · Dec 02, 2010, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

How is joining a guild of people using your own language any indicator for national pride, Lord Mip? That must be one of the dumbest things I've read on this forum.
Would you say the same of americans who join english-language guilds?

Most people communicate better, with less effort and fewer misunderstandings in their own language, even if they know (some) english. Avoiding the use of a foreign language makes perfect sense, I don't understand why you'd resent this.

Is that a dumb thing to say? Indeed it is useful to be in a guild of your own language, but there's a difference between playing with people who speak your own language and not mixing with the community at all. Also, just speak with some of the earlier mentioned types of players and you will find out soon enough that my argument has some validity. I may not have phrased it in the best way but that does not mean it is untrue.

Amy Awien · Dec 02, 2010, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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Originally Posted by ruk1a

... the game was ruined when anet stopped caring.

GW may not fit with your idea of MMO's, but that is not an indication that the don't care. GW's ten times better then the boring, mindnumbing, preprogrammed grindfests that define any typical MMO.

GW has a story and once you've played it, you're basically done with it. You can then play it in a harder mode or experiment with GW's skill system that allows you to create actually unique characters and teams and 'beat challenges' in your own way.

But eventually it gets old, people find new things to do and leave it. Typical MMO's don't get old so fast because they have no real story, players just grind from level to level in an infinite tredmill.

I prefer GW, even when it means having to say goodbye from it at some point.

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Is that a dumb thing to say?

Yes.

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... but there's a difference between playing with people who speak your own language and not mixing with the community at all.

Why? If their english is anything like my french I can completely understand that they'd prefer to play with people who use their language. Using a poorly known foreign language can be extremely exhausting - especially over the internet where you can't improvise.

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Also, just speak with some of the earlier mentioned types of players ...

Sorry, but it's fairly difficult to speak with absent or your hypothetical players and I've never found, or noticed, much national pride.

and you will find out soon enough that my argument has some validity. I may not have phrased it in the best way but that does not mean it is untrue.[/QUOTE]

Gli · Dec 02, 2010, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Lord Mip

...but there's a difference between playing with people who speak your own language and not mixing with the community at all.

There is no single community. There are just subsets of players who are more connected with each other than they are with outsiders. What do you think the French/Spanish/German speaking players have? Ghettos?

Morphy · Dec 02, 2010, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Master of Liquors

Do you pay a monthly fee for Guild Wars?

Good point. Arenanet doesn't have an endless cashstream. Blizzard does, which is why they can actually pay attention to their games.

Acehole2006 · Dec 04, 2010, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Im a Uk player but play on American servers.... Why? couple of reasons.

No1: Trade, As Eu servers are completly empty.
No2: Alot more players to team up with for daily WiK Bountys , Zaishen etc.
No3: Players also tend to be alot better in American districts.
No4: Eu English for example there is french/german talking people there so there servers must be even more quiet.
No5: Although my Guild is European Uk/Holland etc we are in American Alliance which nicely evens out there playing time for late night players, and we all been friends for long time if you ask why we would want to do this.

Im Assuming most Eu players would have at least 2 reason from the above list.

Angel Killuminati · Dec 04, 2010, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I'm surprised noone has pointed out the most obvious reason:

The player base is decreasing. All the time. The game is almost 6 years old, after all. So, as fewer people play, they tend to concentrate on areas where the other players are. It's simply a matter of "where are the people nowadays?" and going there.

There doesn't actually have to be a reason for people to gather in a specific place. The fact that it's known as the place where people play alone suffices. When a person sees an empty district, they'll automatically move to the districts they perceive as populous.

In my opinion, this is exactly it. I noticed this a few years back, the European English servers got less and less, then I'd perhaps move to the French or German districts for missions as I knew there were more people there to team up with. Then these started to diminish and so my options were limited.

Then I swapped to the American servers where you're guaranteed a steady player base for the remaining time of GW1

Saint Scarlet · Dec 05, 2010, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Amy Awien

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I have to disagree with what you have said and although this is slightly off the original topic. I run an International alliance and have on many an occasion joined up with varying foreign players to help them out. When I get transported to their home district after helping or to meet them, I have had to sometimes talk in local chat(not always intentionally). Now as I cannot really speak foreign languages well I use English to talk, because yes it is considered to be the international language by every country on our fair planet. Yet nearly every time I speak English in a foreign district all I get from the locals is lots of abuse and swearing, telling me i'm a noob and should **** off back to my own country(mostly in their own language so they think they can avoid getting caught out). It helps that whomever i'm with can translate for me so I can see what they are saying. Now explain to me how this is not their national pride taking over their common sense and abusing the foreigner. When in either the American or European English districts I can honestly say I have not encountered this hostility towards people who speak other languages(not saying it doesn't happen just not that i have noticed while in Spamadan or other outposts).

This is an international game and has various people playing from 12-60yr olds, so why should people feel they don't have to be courteous to others?

On topic, I do spend most my time in European English districts unless I wish to trade then as it is far more populous I move to the American districts.

Amy Awien · Dec 05, 2010, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Saint Scarlet

I have to disagree with what you have said

The snip makes it hard to tell what you respond to, but it seems you are combining it in ways I did not put in. I do not see national pride in using ones own language.

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...nearly every time I speak English in a foreign district all I get from the locals is lots of abuse and swearing ...

It's the same kind of response one gets when using non-english in an english district - and don't to try to tell me the don't because that same negative attitude is present even on this forum. It's the same response which, most likely, they got before there were seperate language districts.

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... so why should people feel they don't have to be courteous to others?

Perhaps they respond in a way similar to how they or their friends were treated.

Iuris · Dec 05, 2010, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by Saint Scarlet

Yet nearly every time I speak English in a foreign district all I get from the locals is lots of abuse and swearing, telling me i'm a noob and should **** off back to my own country(mostly in their own language so they think they can avoid getting caught out).

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This is an international game and has various people playing from 12-60yr olds, so why should people feel they don't have to be courteous to others?

The existence of idiots on one side doesn't excuse the idiots on the other side. After all, this very thread shows how many people would like non-english to shut up wherever they can see them...